Monday Jul 24, 2023

TROS 3: Independent Jedi Study (Minutes 11-15 with Riley Silverman)

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In minutes 11-15 of The Rise of Skywalker, we see Rey training in the jungle of Ajan Kloss under the light guidance of General Leia Organa; Kylo and Rey have their first Force chat of the film; and Rey reunites with Poe and Finn. Star Wars author and Rey aficionado Riley Silverman is here with me to discuss Rey's epic "training suite" theme, Leia's as a "lowercase j" jedi, shortcuts in music and filmmaking, and more!



  • 0:00 - Hello there!
  • 1:43 - Leia as a lowercase "j" jedi
  • 6:40 - End of the lightspeed skipping scene.
  • 8:51 - Shortcuts. Re-using the Martial Chords/Holst Chords from the Death Star blow-up scene in ANH.
  • 17:56 - Peaceful soundscape of Rey training on Ajan Kloss.
  • 20:58 - "Leia Trains Rey" – new incidental motif – a tender string line.
  • 26:31 - Mishearing the Rey/Leia conversation in theaters.
  • 32:46 - Rey's pump-up training suite is reminiscent of Luke's lifestyle montage on Ahch-To (in TLJ minutes 21-25).
  • 39:33 - Imperial March and Kylo Ren's Aggressive theme with one note out of place.
  • 44:10 - Music raising the stakes during Rey's training. Duelistic Strings (incidental motif). Kylo's intrusion.
  • 49:46 - Awesome sound design in Rey/Kylo's concurrent flashbacks.
  • 1:00:14 - Rey studies ancient texts. Independent Jedi Study. Continuity from TLJ to TROS.
  • 1:10:57 - Poe and Rey bicker like divorced (but still good) co-parents.
  • 1:22:47 - Final thoughts about these minutes and TROS as a whole.
  • 1:34:53 - SWMM Questionnaire
  • 1:45:09 - Where to find Riley's books.

Things to Check Out:

Musical Themes:

  • Martial Chords
  • Force
  • Rey A (Theme A-Phrase)
  • Leia Trains Rey
  • Rey B (Chimes)
  • Imperial March (Theme)
  • Kylo Ren A (Aggressive)
  • Duelistic Strings

Where are we in the soundtrack?:

  • End of FYC 2. "Falcon Flight"



1. In exactly 3 words, what does Star Wars sound like?

  • New: Wondrous space magic.
  • Previous: Epic space magic.

2. What's something related to Star Wars music or sound that you want to learn more about?

  • New: How many different people are involved in the process of putting music in the film? Who has the final say?
  • Previous: How many different screams are there? How do people go about designing music for a scene or character in the first place? Writers start with a blank page and somehow use words to convey scenes; what is the musical/sound version of that process like?

3. What's a score or soundtrack you're fond of besides anything Star Wars?

  • New: Across the Spider-Verse (composed by Daniel Pemberton)
  • Previous: Gentlemen Jack (composed by Murray Gold), Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (composed by Danny Elfman). Doctor Who.


Guest: Riley Silverman


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